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View from the bottom: unemployed and undecided

9 February 2009

In the first of her regular “View from the bottom” series, our new columnist looks at life as a young and unemployed banker. The writer is a Singaporean who worked on Wall Steet and is now searching for a job in Asia.

I was working for a year and a half in New York when my entire product group in capital markets was made redundant last October. With the waves of layoffs in the investment banks, scores of finance professionals in New York have been displaced. Because my work visa was set to expire in January, it seemed timely to consider exploring opportunities beyond Wall Street.

In these times, interviews and offers are hard to come by. I have heard numerous rejections along the lines of: “you have a great CV but no one is hiring”, or “you do not have the right background for those available positions”. I even had an informal offer withdrawn due to budget re-evaluations.

The benefits of hindsight

While I had the downside of being inexperienced, I was more malleable into other roles than my senior counterparts. In retrospect, I should have taken more advantage of my mobility. And when I was employed in New York, I should also have been more open-minded in keeping an eye on job websites and keeping in touch with recruiters. I would have benefited from interview practice, met new interesting people and developed a better understanding of various career paths. But I was happy at my bank and scoping out the employment market didn’t seem like a priority when times were good.

I did, however, at least get the chance to observe a few job interviews and I picked up some useful tips. In the current market, candidates should beware of the non-genuine interview, which is designed not to assess your experience and skills, but rather to obtain proprietary information about your current employer. In other words, they want the low-down on your firm, not you.

Back to school

Before packing my belongings and returning to Asia, I headed back to visit my American undergraduate college to bid farewell to professors and friends. The atmosphere on campus was in great contrast to the gloomy mood in New York. It was energising to be back to school, surrounded by the unadulterated enthusiasm of students who were optimistic about the future.

Sometimes just getting away on a beach holiday doesn’t suffice, it’s being in an environment with people brimming with infectious energy that provides one with renewed energy, hope, direction and purpose. It was a great decision to visit the school again because talking to professors and students made me think outside the box and gave me renewed confidence in re-evaluating my five-year plan.

Without deadlines and structure, being without a job is an opportunity for me to carve my path, plus it's a strong test of discipline, resolve and personal management. I would like to think of the time on my hands akin to money invested in productive assets. It is crucial that I spend it wisely, in ways which would extend my abilities professionally and recreationally.

Perhaps serendipitously, I have found an interesting inscription in a second hand book I bought recently. The inscription reads: “Ride hard and far, life is short. Make it happen.” – Jim Rogers. Because I am out of work and the investment banking sector is still in crisis, the opportunity costs for me in exploring new fields, or in taking risks in entrepreneurial areas, have decreased tremendously. I do enjoy finance and numbers, but perhaps this is the opportune time to think outside the box.

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Thanks for sharing your story. I am sure when you look back 10 years down the road, this is one of the best life experiences! Keep up the good work!

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  • i'm pretty much sure that we are of 90% in similarity on career, e.g. same time of layoff, same length of work experience, same industry, same efforts on CFA, etc. etc.
    but i guess there are many like us, young and junior ibanking ppl, inexperienced but flexible to other great career exposures beyond wall street.
    thx for sharing your story and best of luck to you, myself and all buddies in the same boat. i will keep tracking your following series.

    galad 18 Jun 2009

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  • you write well... like your style. and thanx rosie and et2 for encouraging words

    useless whiz 18 Jun 2009

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  • I agree with you completely.  I am in the same situation, and despite the lack of steady income, I'd like to consider being laid off from this financial disaster as more of a blessing rather than a misfortune.  Now is the time for us to explore and pursue new opportunities we may have overlooked in the past. 

    To Banker_Chimp - As for "NYC pay and perks", just to give you some perspective....unlike HK bankers, we get no housing allowance and our final paycheck only ends up being a fraction of the total after being struck with high taxes.  To top it off, NYC is one of the most expensive places to live in the world.  Gotta love the perks.

    Sandra 01 Apr 2009

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  • I am currently working in investment banking in Malaysia; I graduated from Melbourne Univ. in Commerce/Laws last year, and I am currently reading CFA.

    To the author: you've just become my competition in seeking a job in Singapore.

    Banker_Chimp:  I highly doubt there is no drought in CF/M&A roles in Singapore. Last I checked, the Strategic Skills List published by the MOM, finance professionals are still in demand in Singapore, but mainly in mid to back office roles, sans private bankers.

    In addition, preference will always be given to local graduates v foreign ones, even those with working experience. Also, having Wall St experience gives you an upper hand, experience with deal flow in Asia ex-Japan based in a developing country just isn't sexy enough compared to a Wall Street CV. 

    Reality sucks. I don't know why I am still drawn to corp fin anyway.

    katherine 26 Feb 2009

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  • My suggestion is that if you still love investment banking work, apply to the bulge bracket banks, but state that you are willing to start off as a first-year analyst again, with that same lower starting pay. With your experience and overseas qualifications you should prove to be a very strong candidate as compared to a local fresh graduate. The Singaporean graduate males are already 25 (cos of 2 years' National Service) when they start work for the first time, you haven't really lost that much in terms of age! 

    Even if you can find a intermediate level job with a blue chip MNC, e.g. P&G or GE, the starting pay would be only c.SGD4,000 per month -- you still can't beat what a first-year analyst makes at an investment bank.

    I graduated from one of the "Big 3" local Singaporean universities (SMU, NTU, NUS) in Dec 2008, and have secured a front-line M&A position with a European bank. Although opportunities in front-line roles are fewer, it is not a drought. Not just myself, but my classmates (including those graduating in June 2009) have also secured front-line jobs with BB banks -- you simply have to adjust your expectations; esp for you, don't expect NYC pay and perks.

    Banker_Chimp 22 Feb 2009

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  • what u said is definitely very true...
    even in happy boom time, dun think that they are hiring you for a job. many of a time, they are just trying to dig out the dirt / find out more about your firm / bank, who are the Desk Heads, what is your P&L, etc. if you dun provide info, they will just write you off completely. i know these questions are illegal, but when your head is on the table, you really dun have much choice. Personally, I have encountered many Head Hunters & even Senior Desk Head, just trying to find out more market info. but never give up, best advice, if you can, ride out the storm, go back to school.

    rosw 12 Feb 2009

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  • All the best and good fortune in your hunting. Do exercise regularly to keep your spirit up. I remember once I was jogging in the morning at East Coast Park when a job came calling. The headhunter was so envy that i was jogging and enjoying the sunshine. :-)

    Spark 12 Feb 2009

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  • dont know what's the big deal about being retrenched... lol

    billions of people are less well off than you...

    get a life 12 Feb 2009

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  • all the best for your search! i am in a similar position, my work visa was due to expire and i came back to Asia and still looking for  a job in this "slow" economy! I hope we can explore different possibilities and stretch our limits during these trying times!!

    Ishita 12 Feb 2009

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  • I'm in the same situation than you but a western person who worked many years in Asia and looking for a job.
    I'm sharing the same thoughts than you: While I was employed I was dedicated to my work (no time for my family, holiday, hobby or personal development) and company (I never looked at job ads nor replied to head hunters).
    Now I believe that these was two big mistakes...
    However this is the perfect time to analyze what you want and setting new priorities in your life. For example I'm more incline to start my own business.
    Everything is possible!

    GD 12 Feb 2009

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